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And I thought we were more liberal in this country. There's plenty of pretty bleak films out there that get released, but because it's a game there's this whole politically correct agenda thing to be dealing with. I was really looking forward to this game, especially on Wii. Let's hope the decision gets overturned.

Where can I get a copy?

maybe this waz pushing it a bit far especily as itz on wii to

Good publicity I think as it will probably be overturned

Its a bit different to a film as you stand back and watch for a few hours and it's over. A game you become immersed in for days, there are enough crackpots out there let's not give them any more ideas. My wife is a teacher and after arguing the toss over the Manchester Church (i didn't see the big deal using the building as a setting) issue in another game, she highlighted that she sees the kids in her school acting out scenes from games, 18 rating or not the kids will get hold of it, if its on the shelves and this really isn't somthing any sane person should want kids playing. I hate the idea of censorship to account for the dumbest people, but sometimes it has its place. We already have happy-slapping and thugs everywhere, lets not always encourage more uber-violence.

I think games like this must logically address a real consumer -need-, in order to sell in sufficient quantities to break even. If we take away the game, how will this -need- be addressed?

If we instead reject the idea of violence as a -need- and insist our only -need- is curiosity, then yes I agree, each release of the series will need greater publicity than the last, and an outright ban in several countries is an ideal scenario from a marketing standpoint.

I'm sorry, but you can't withhold a game from sale in case someone who's underage gets hold of it. If that's the worry then it should be the retail systems that allow this that are looked at. It's impossible to stop all adult content getting into the hand of minors, but we can't let that dictate what and what is not released. It's stupid to think that a so called 'normal' person could sit down for a couple of hours of Manhunt and emerge any different. Stupid.

Let's face it, Rockstar thrive on bad publicity, to the point that they appear to TRY to make their work more, and more controversial. They were bound to get knocked back sooner or later, this shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

So a game that is made for adults, that has some very shocking scenes gets banned, but a film (Silent Hill I am thinking of) gets given a 15 rating, when it is extremely disturbing?.

The BBFC should revamp ALL aspects of their ratings, not just the games.

Plus, the game is only banned in the UK, not other countries. Who is to say it won't do an "Excorist" and be released later on?

The BBFC are historically quite liberal with these things - if they've banned it then I think it's highly unlikely any other bodies will allow it.

I can't believe I just said that - having resisted most forms of censorship and control - particularly in the video gaming
genre, but in this case I feel it is justified.
Throughout the history of video gaming there has always been attempts to link acts of violence and unacceptable
social behaviour to it, but when you look at what is happening here it is almost presenting a new precedent.

Firstly, the plot subject matter. Murder and sadistic violence isn't a by product of the game, it [I]is[/I] the game.
Couple this with the ability to generate more and more realistic graphic and atmospheric user interaction and it
doesn't sound like 'entertainment' to me...

Secondly, the targeted platforms for this game. Nobody is going to tell me that no-one except over 18's are going to be
playing this. My particular concern is players on the Wii platform. As you are aware, the controls of the wii enable
players to wield 'virtual weapons' via the joypads - allowing players a much more hands on approach to stabbing,
dismembering, torturing, etc than usual. Now picture that for a moment. A 10 - 14 year old boy leaping around the
living room stabbing and slashing with joy while a graphic image writhes on the TV screen - tell me that isn't sick.
And pleeze don't tell me that people are so naive as to believe younger kids play this 'cos their parents let them
- kids will always get access to this kinda stuff.

I've played just about every type of video game there is and have been a big first person shooter fan for years.
We've had to suffer the rantings of people who said it would turn us into psycho's and serial killers - the last thing
we need is video game companies making a fast buck by pushing mindless dross like this as 'entertainment'.
Video game producers have long been able to flout the censorship that inhibits other creative genres...
but they won't for much longer if they don't stop this kind of crap.

I bet Rockstar never thought for a minute that anyone would actually ban its game – I know the thought certainly hadn’t occurred to me. I’m astonished by the news – I thought our society had evolved beyond such attitudes, but if nothing else it just demonstrates that media pressure can, in the end, take its toll.

I know the BBFC has denied that the political situation regarding Take 2, relating mostly to previous scandals with both the original Manhunt and GTA: San Andreas, had nothing to do with the decision. But that’s bullshit. Rockstar and Take 2 have sat squarely in the crosshair of a number of lobbying groups for a long time now. I don’t believe for a second that had another publisher had produced Manhunt 2 it would have had anywhere near the same level of controversy.

It really winds me up to think that due to the overt political correctness that is seemingly sweeping the UK’s legislative bodies I will subsequently be denied the chance to play Rockstar’s game. For all the questionable content in the fist game, Manhunt was a class act. It boasted atmosphere and character in a way that only Rockstar titles ever do, and was a markedly unique experience.

And that’s the thing, isn’t it? Games are still so misunderstood, and that’s why they suffer from this discriminatory treatment. Violent films such as Reservoir Dogs, Natural Born Killers and American Psycho are permitted for release because the ratings authorities have a basic grasp on the art of film-making, and appreciated the fine craft displayed by the aforementioned movies.

These same authorities, however, have no idea about the art of games making and are unable to distinguish a Ninja Gaiden from a Cy Girls – it’s all one and the same to them. And until this situation is addressed, this sorry picture is one that’s likely to be painted again.

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one person out of a billion who purchase the game may harm someone but the motive will be unrelated to the game its not fair to use it as an excuse

Hey All,

I am a female gamer and even I am outraged !!!

I'm a 22 year old adult, what I play on my games console should be my choice. What the hell gives these guys the right to decide what I can and cannot see ?

I don't proceed to tell them what they can and can't watch on TV or what they can and can't listen to on the radio. What they can and can't eat , what color toilet roll they can use (it goes on) If I even tried there'd be an uproar.

Why can't people stop blaming games for societies problems and start looking at the real issues ?

Personally I'd be much happier for a total nutter to be killing virtual people on a games console than real people in the streets.

Warrior-monk - You are free to choose your likes and dislikes we wish only the same freedom for ourselves.

KingPenguin - You said : I thought our society had evolved beyond such attitudes. More like it has de-evolved ! Well written by the way.

Anyway I'm going to go play Forza II on my 360 ... and tomorrow, having spent the night driving like Schumaker, I'm going to drive into work over 100 Mph because according to society it's not my fault the game made me do it !!!

Come on wake up

Mikki

long live the freedom of choice

In response to those suggesting that the violence in this game justifies banning:

You're absolutely right. Kids could easily get their hands on it. However, it's the parent's responsibility to keep their kids from playing it. Just as it is their responsibility to keep their kids from seeing R-rated movies or pornography. Also, there hasn't been any solid evidence that games turn kids into killers. Psychopaths don't become that way because they played GTA or Manhunt, etc. Period. I certainly wouldn't want my kid playing Manhunt, but guess what? I fully accept that it's MY job to keep it out of their hands. And hey- if I want to play a game that's as violent as all get-out, it should be my choice. Case closed.

ok people, you might think that i am talking bullshit, but think long and hard and you will see that this is not bullshit at all, it is only gonna be a matter of time before manhunt 2 becomes aavailable, now for those of you who dont own the first this is what i want you to do, i want you to buy and play the first manhunt, you must finish it, then buy the manhunt 2. i will do this and record it then place it on youtube, i can garuntee that you will be hearing from me again,i will let you know when the video is on youtube. it will be a long one so make sure your up for it, once you have all watched it, you must subscribe to me, and we must meet up, this going to be knowen as "the project", i aint some stupid spotty sex crazed teenager, so listen up, once you have subscribed to me you will then go to google and typ in valient video. when you reach the website purchase your weapons that suit you. after that e-mail me at youtube, and let me know that you have purchased your weapons and you wish to participate in the project. those who join me will be paid a ransome of 33,000 £/$, the rest of the money will be dispersed at my discression. for more info on the project go to google and search project manhunt. if you want knifes then visit some knife shops online, or go outand about, this is serious. keep an eye out on youtube for for a video called project manhunt, this is gonna take some time folks, so bare with me and be patient. luv mr nasty xxx

Look who's talking. If the first game was too violent, then no wonder the originally intended sequel was cancelled. This would encourage violence which is WHY they banned a second Manhunt game as of August this year.

lets hope it gets overturned. just about had enough of the pc do gooders, who think they know whats good for everyone! Bring on manhunt2.

y ban it it is only a game for **** sake

the bbfc are ****ing assholes