I just hope it works online without lag that would be the biggest 'new feature'....

Updated graphics, new moves, new modes. WOW!!!!

Didn't see that coming. We can all look forward to another dissapointing game. The last one was rushed and another half finished game will destroy the reputation of this series.

Hopefully they have fixed the issue with the online server, and hopefully they include Joe Cole in the england squad this year.

As for destroying the rep of the series, will never happen. Even if the games utter crap, people will still say its the best thing since sliced bread.

"gameplay details revealed"

/konami rep puts "rules of football" into photocopier
/konami rep mails it out to gaming press

Dear Konami,

Please make the game with the playability of evo 4&5 with the graphics of 2009. You've clearly been slowly destroying the game since evo 6 so instead of "improving" the game by having keepers who are the reason strikers score instead of the reason they dont, and having players who just randomly pass to nobody, just go back to your roots, where you made a game with a massive fan base, and that was fantastic fun, instead of splitting people's opinions with Fifa, which is equally budget.
Oh and also, sort the physics out, I've got saced replays of the ball actually going through some people's bodies. If a bill hits someone, im pretty sure it doesnt have some sort of osmosis reaction.

Sincerely
Jonny

Um... I am not a huge Wii or DS fan but last time I checked, they sold like mad... so why aren't they getting versions? Seems like a strange business decision.

"The new game has undergone a stunning graphical update to ensure its players look and move even more like their real-life counterparts."
Music to my ears, although the screenshots didn't get me all excited. They seriously need to have a real clean-up in the graphics department. The last game looked like it was ported from the PS2 version(which wasn't bad) to the 360. I expect things now, like having real grass, not just a flat surface with some painted greenish stuff all over it.

Konami has really lost me with the last game. I think I'm switching to Fifa, that game has shown improvement.

And don't bull**** me about gameplay improvements, the series has undergone very little change over the years, it actually played worse in the last game. I guess the last game improvement was to make body balance the winning statistic.

Why do people cry so much about the gameplay? It's miles better than FIFA and apart from the licences it's the ultimate footballing console game... Agree with the LAG issue online but with regard to the gameplay it's all about adapting your game not hoping your same old technique works on the latest version(s). With 2008 you need to defend stronger and be less gung-ho - stop crying about letting in goals and get stuck in!!
Chunky Frog Web & Design Solutions

Its all very well saying just defend better, but its a joke because of the ridiculous body balance stat. Have you tried defending against Adriano/Henry/Drogba/Ibra etc ?

" it's all about adapting your game not hoping your same old technique works on the latest version(s). With 2008 you need to defend stronger and be less gung-ho - stop crying about letting in goals and get stuck in!!"

i have adapted my game. i still beat people 7-0 but when i do, i just find myself angry and pist off with all the stupid things the game does. its not a victory, just a demonstration of how crap the playability is even tho you get a convincing win. and to be honest, altho i love winning, i'd rather lose and know that its cos i got beat by someone better than me and know its down to my lack of skill, then rinse someone by scoring from stupid mistakes from defenders & keepers. i dont know if its supposed to come across as "realistic" but it sucks all the fun out of the game. a load of us play most days after work, and i just find myself playing one game and then wanting to leave cos i get so angry.

marko is right, u can hardly tackle the top strikers without sliding in & hamad is right by saying Fifa is nearly on par with the new PES titles. FIFA... on PAR with PES. Thats how bad its got. simple as.

" it's all about adapting your game not hoping your same old technique works on the latest version(s). With 2008 you need to defend stronger and be less gung-ho - stop crying about letting in goals and get stuck in!!"

i have adapted my game. i still beat people 7-0 but when i do, i just find myself angry and pist off with all the stupid things the game does. its not a victory, just a demonstration of how crap the playability is even tho you get a convincing win. and to be honest, altho i love winning, i'd rather lose and know that its cos i got beat by someone better than me and know its down to my lack of skill, then rinse someone by scoring from stupid mistakes from defenders & keepers. i dont know if its supposed to come across as "realistic" but it sucks all the fun out of the game. a load of us play most days after work, and i just find myself playing one game and then wanting to leave cos i get so angry.

marko is right, u can hardly tackle the top strikers without sliding in & hamad is right by saying Fifa is nearly on par with the new PES titles. FIFA... on PAR with PES. Thats how bad its got. simple as.

pes 2008 has one major problem, simply thats the online lag. i find whenever i beat someone i get an angry message with them complaining about my lag. its single handedly ruined pes and theres no excuse for it. there wasnt this problem with pes 6 so y this one. as for fifa i find that the first tiem i play it, it impresses me then after a day of play you notice all the un realistic movements ans passes, it drives me crazy its such a bad game that rides purely of its impressive graphics and licencing. the bottom line konami, you need better graphics, sort out the lag and for god sakes make all players human. adriano is soem sort of superhero. what a joke he aint even that good any way. even a avarage defender should stand a chance againts the big names. it should be down to each players individual skill not the stats which makes any old person able to beat a really decent player.

PES will and always has been the best football game out there..... The thing's u can do in PES is so real.... Somtimes when i play PES momments happen in the game that i have never seen before in the game, and ive been playing for years..... In FIFA u can run up the field with one player, doing almost flick flacks and spins og evry player before scoring.... It's just stupid.... PES is much more close to real football in evry way.... FIFA do not have that....

The problem with PES and fifa is they have no real competition other than each other.

If i ask you how you would rate COD4 you would compare it to halo, gears, resistance, quake, doom, the other COD games, the FEAR series, Far Cry etc etc. In that situation each game has to push to be different.

Would be nice to see even one more football franchise, even for a short time just to shake things up a little. Competition breeds innovation.

Le sigh...

Konami Needs to wake up to themselves. The more we dig into the future, the crapper PES gets.
Why cant it be a game to please everyone? Why cant it have deliberate diving? Why cant it have more tricks? Why cant the graphics b more realistic? Why do the EPL teams strips all stuffed up? PES 2009 better have diving like other games.

how can you guys forget to put diving in a SOCCER GAME!

Why do the players look like JEWS!

inter milan suck so dont put them in the game. Jews play better than them!

For gods sake MCV... can we have a "kids" filter on these comments sections?

It's bad enough with the "txt" typers and people who can't spell words more than 1 letter long... now we get PES fanboys and juvenile racists.

PES 2008 was Grate!! If the people form Konami improve just a little, will be good thing!

So here we go...
Seabass and the team of Konami monkeys have announced the release of their latest shocker. Forgive me for not giving a fig! Konami got away with treating fans like idiots last time round.. and the long, long wait for a patch or apology from the developers was a true disgrace - To add insult to injury, we are now supposed to trust the same developers, websites and magazines that ridiculously rated PES 2008 as 9/10 or 'next-gen splendour'...
Sorry.. but no thanks.
Gamers worldwide, do yourselves a favour. Stay low, show little interest, keep your money safe and wait for at least 100 reviews to be written BY CUSTOMERS on places like Amazon. By using gamer websites & reviews as your reference, you are making yourself vulnerable to marketing cons.
Let's go back.. PES 2008 should not have been released. Full stop. Konami should still be paying for that injustice now, (as should the dishonest game reviewers sponsored by Konami for bigging up an incomplete game).. but instead, people are contemplating giving them a chance with this next game!
This version will have it's faults no doubt, because it will have been rushed. I remember reading in Oct 2007, (4 days after wasting money on PES 2008) that Seabass was happy to delay the release until well into 2009 for two reasons..
1. Because 2008 was so bad
2. to get the franchise 'back to standards'...
Amazing how that has been scrapped and we are heading for another OCTOBER RUSH.
Konami have fallen away people. Integrity has gone out the door..
Evo 2008 went backwards even with the editing menu/function. Generally, PS3 games have been uninspiring since the consoles release.. But when you think carefully, what sense is there in making the 'ultimate game'? Customers won't buy the next installment will they? We will never get what we pay for. Plain and simple.
Get wise people. There have been enough versions of Evo now, to have the foundation for the greatest football sim ever created. But it will never be developed, because there is no money in it.
I guarantee PES 2009 is another over-hyped piece of code, that does nothing to warrant the extortionate price. I haven't had a footy game since purchasing my god forsaken PS3. Thanks to Konami.
FIFA is and always will be.. PANTS...!

Everything you say is so damn true dude! PES 2009 will be no different. Everyone please keep there pennys and then Konami will start to **** themselves I tell you.
Also who wants to waste so much time editing strips and other parts of the game when we should have official licenses and just enjoy flicking on the game and having a wicked game of togga!

very true pes 2009 should at least allow you to edit kits,boots and also please bring back the option of base copy in player edit so you can build your own team or classic teams

hope its better than pes 2008 coz that was a shocker, couldn't even give it away on ebay lol please bring back pes 6 online server and pes 5 playability. true pes fans aren't too fussed about the graphics as long as you bring back the playability!!
ps please go back to theold camera angle co no body like the one in pes 2008, it was just like fifa :(

the gameplay is still better than FIFA, if only they would keep the editing as advanced as it was in PES 6, such as the special hairstyles.

PES will always be better than FIFA imo

No ones mentioned the most obvious floor on pro evo 8!..which is the free kicks no matter who you play against any free kick upto 35 yrds out they will always score ive even tried pulling a defender back on the line but you suddenly have no control over him and the free kick goes in there is no realism in the free kicks at all even if you play aginst a crapteam and crap free kick taker they always score...dont tell me not conceed free kicks then! when that is not the answer any hardcore pro evo player understands what im on about...also 7/8 years and still no full licences!!! bull**** whats the reason when you have eidos codemasters fifa etc etc having full licences...the english lge is the biggest in japan and for some reason they still havent hot the premier lge licences...put youy ****ing hand in ytour pockets Konami bcause Fifa wether we like it or not is catching up.

they should return bck the game speed control just lke ps 1

sort out online lag, buy the feckin licence's, sort out the shocking commentry, put the penalty spot back, put the "CLUNK" back when you hit the post or bar. then it would be a great game once again.......am i wrong?

Every one goin on about the graphics and editing. Not impotant. Im just interested in gameplay. And Pes 2008 is missing key elements. The AI is weak. is it just my PES because nobody is mentioning the stupid runs my fellow strikers or lack of runs (more often) they make. And the automatic dummy which i dont want or this new 1-2 system it has to be the worst thing kanomi has done. The players making the 1-2 copy each others run and if one stops so does the other making it so that there is no run into the box from any1. total rubbish....sorry!!!

there is deliberate diving on the game.

L1+ L2 + R1 - pressed simultaneously executes a dive.

A Lot of people are sceptical about the new pes, i am an xbox 360 user and i thought 2008 was awesome fair enough online play wasnt what it should of been but the new update improved it some what, but i played the ps3 version and it was shocking and rightly so konami were heavily slated for it, but in my opinion as i always have a lot of friends round my house to play against this game has given me litterally hours of entetainment, hopefully due to the controversy over 08 they will of went all out 2 make 2009 the best football game ever released and I for 1 cant wait to find out...............

I see a lot of people were upset with PES 2008 (PS3) and I don't blame them. I wrote a lot about the mentality behind game making in my last post - but here are the things I found wrong with the game after playing it for no longer than 5 minutes. :)
* 1. Severe bug, causing loading issues.
* 2. Shocking frame rate.
* 3. Horrible crowd graphics. True next-gen disaster.
* 4. New AI not very intelligent at all.
* 5. Poor running motion of players. Backwards step for me.
* 6. Terrible editing facilities
* 7. Lack of stadiums
* 8. Silly additions like 'fan popularity' when the game play isn't even tuned.
* 9. Game crashes if you are downloading at the same time.
* 10. Konami were ignorant about the issues for too long and the patch didn't even fix the game to a suitable standard.
* 11. More on the PS2 version than on PS3..!! Don't know about you, but this is disgraceful as Konami obviously think PS3 customers are stupid and don't mind paying through the teeth for expensive new hardware whilst receiving shoddy, dated, pre-gen titles. This to me is the biggest 'mickey take' ever. PS3 users got conned big time last year. They should get the new game for half price or less. It's the least Konami can do.
I'll be waiting for customer reviews before Konami get anymore of my hard earned spondoolies.
Thanks for reading.

Looking forward to this.

Finding it hard to see how people can not view PES 2008 as a good game. It had a few problems, thats for sure. I own the 360 version but play on the ps3 one more often with friends.

Online play was terrible, far to much lag.
Editing mode, not many options
Free kicks, refs take an age to blow the wistle
Penalties in open play, camera angle in the bottom right behind the keeper
Loading times, slow (only on PS3)

All the above are negatives but you can not say it is a bad game. Its an improvement over the previous ones, superior graphics, gameplay and more realistic. Its the only game, with perhaps the exception of COD4 on the 360 that i still play since purchase.

I think the reasons why so many bad comments get made is that all pro fans love the game and see it as the best football series out there, so expectations run high.

PES 2008 is still far better then Fifa 08. I have both and by no means dislike Fifa but pro always comes out on top, for me Fifa only stands above pro due to it having more Official sponsers. Come the day Konami pull their finger out and spend more on licencing will we see the best of Pro.

I bet most people making negative comments about the PES 2008 still play it but are simply venting frustration that Pro deserves to be truely next gen, which I agree with.

PES 2008 a good game, yes, a bad game, no, possible improvements of course

I do not agree about saying the gameplay of pes 2009 is worse. I was as equally pi**ed of like everyone with the bad graphics, the online lag etc. But come one, the 1 vs 1 player game is the best ever. You have to defend better, the player without the ball move much more intelligently, its a tighter game, if they keep the game play the same and improve the graphics and movement of players it would be enough. One thing that needs to be arranged is definitely the keepers, buffon (supposedly the best keeper) punches so many shots into the net himself. its incredible. Also when the hell are they gonna REVAMP the whole palyer statistics, i mean come on,,, c.ronaldo can't shoot a ball, torres, villa and so many other 'new' good players are still averagely good. we still got ronaldo (brazil) as one of the best players? they have to revamp the whol palyer statistics.

Has anyone actually mentioned no 2v2 in 2008!!!! Never even entertained 08 because it had no 2v2 absolutely ridiculous!!!! It was a backwards step in my book!! Please konami, if you do one thing with Pes 09.......put AT LEAST 2v2 in!! Live the dream!!
Over n out!

Ok Konami, this is your last chance lol ive been an avid fan for like 10 years now...i have to admit, PES 2008 was fantastic on PC (though only thanks to a fine patch release for kits etc) but online it was once again laughable..is it just me or during online gameplay is any strike at goal cushioned with NASA approved pillow technology??...absolutely awfull..and screen tear on my card was intensly frustrating at first..(at release i had quite an awesome setup card wise etc) Console attempts were purely dire..or is that Dyer?..XBOX360...what a joke..though a joke i didnt get?...PS3? yeah ok great, but did it really have to take a HDMI cable to unlock the graphic potential, though yet again, still screen tear glitches and a pee poor top 4 kit renderer as the only choice to give some realism ...come on Konami, i love you but your making me not mind getting drunk and laid by Fifa lol...(yeah...really drunk i know)....and get a damn licence eh even just a Prem licence...call it a Provisional lol...rule the market again before we all end up turning to the dark side of football...plays Imperial March Theme... oh and while im here...whats up with having 2V2 multiplayer options online? can it really be that hard nowadays?
lots of love, Rikster x x x

Last years game was the nail in the coffin for me, I think that FIFA, whilst not perfect, is going to easily surpass PES this year. I was such a PES fanboy having played the series since it was ISS on the SNES, it is sad that they are basically producing the most stripped down, boring football game they could possible think of these days - the game is absolutely devoid of all options which leaves for an extremely un-fun game.

PES 2008 was disappointing in regards to lag during online matches and the keepers inability to save seemingly simple shots but apart from that, lighten up you ungrateful bar stewards. PES will always be on your shopping lists because your a PES fiend, as am I. You will never be happy because, thats not what were about. PES can always be better and thats why we cant wait for the new one to come out. Lets just hope they sort the lagging issues out but even if they dont, your still gonna go out and buy PES 2010, why, because we love this tooooo much. BOY YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!!

The server is in Japan hence the major lag. The best 'feature' they could add is a European server. 2v2 needs to be brought back too. The rest just needs cleaning up a bit and some new touches added so it's not a beta in the guise of a finished game.

Wtf You can dive on PES2008 why are you all saying you cant.

Btw if you want join my fantasy football league on skysports.com league pin = 2009296

I dont know why people say about FIFA as it stands Pro is better then FIfa, the gameplay on fifa is so arcady only thing i like about fifa is the keepers are much more relistic if they put them into the Pro series omg! bu yeah i do think fifa is creeping up on pro but they just need to sort out the online play, goal keepers, off the ball defending A.I and like some1 else said about the ball going through the player!!

recon it'll need much of a pc update from pes2008?

nothing but love for the series that always keeps getting
better and better

i hope do the freekicks are quicker and that the referees get less attention..

well first of all pes2009 has to get way more license for the entire english premier league because that league plays a huge role!!!!...and i think during the gameplay players run way to fast well thats the only thing i like from fifa they have realistic movement from the players they just move realistic but pes2008 has improved the detailness of the players for example:moving jerseys by the wind and the referees too....well pes2009 really needs to be a huge boom....dont screw it up plz!!!!!

I'm a massive Pro fan, hell you can even call me a fan boy as I've had every Pro since the PS1. I've now got a 360 and PES2008 wasn't just a bad Pro, it was a bad game full stop. People are bang on when they say they felt cheated - PES2008 wasn't ready.

Everything about the game cried out 'rushed' from the AI to the tacky menu system and don't get me started on the graphics (which are actually better on the ps2). And by graphics I'm not completely referring to how 'pretty' they are (even though they are not) - poor animation, terrible frame rate and lack of detail really wasn't next gen.

It didn't feel like a Pro game, not when there's no point to passing when you can run half the field with any player with pace and balance and crack off a shot getting a corner or goal.

There was no skill to winning, just run, run, run – PES2009 will be the first pro I don’t pre-order as I’m going to have to rent it as my faith in the series has been shot. Am actually considering FIFA 09, now that’s tragic.

Check this out . . . . I had a lads night the other week and guess what I turned up with Pro Evo 4 which I bought for 98p in game a few hours earlier. All being PES gamers from day one they remebered it was good but still looked at me as though the men in white coats were comming to get me any minute . . . . . But . . . . . . I put it on and 6/7 hours later we were still playing, sinking a few beers and having the best pro session we have had in years.
That shows in a pure and simple way how Konami need to take a good look at themselves and sort there s*it out !!!!!

I think pes 2008 was ok not great but not terrible its still miles better than fifa which is not realistic nor does it take any skill to play, as for the new pes it needs to step its game up a bit as if its the same or worse than 2008 then god help it! pes 6 was the best in the series for me brilliant game. And i agree with the lag on xbox live it ruins the game.

I don't care about the license, I don't care if Beckham doesn't look exactly like Beckham, I don't care about the crowd being realistic, I don't care if Ican't edit hairstyles, I just want my Pro Evo back!!!
I've bought every game since ISS on the SNES. I know my PES. A lot of people have made a lot of valid points on here, I just hope Konami listen.
For me, 08 wasn't the big improvement they got me all excited about pre-release with the big A.I. marketing spin. I did enjoy it, particularly on PS2, then I played the PS3 version. Now, what happened here? The screen jolts mid game, the players move weird, there are so called uber-players (Ronaldo, Adriano, you know who they are) that can't be touched.
But for me, the worst thing is the A.I. There is no A.I. How often have you found three of the back four all stood in the same square yard leaving a huge gap for a player to run through?! How many of the A.I controlled defenders are going to come to the ball leaving huge gaps? why does the opposite side full back come across the pitch to receive the throw in? How many times is your full back outnumbered 3 to 1? Defending on PES has always been about positioning, don't dive in, shut them out. You can't do either anymore. How often does another human player run down the wing, cut in and square it across the 6 yard box for a tap in? We've named this 'the blueprint'. Works everytime, no one can stop it, no one enjoys doing it but the need to win makes you exploit the floors in the game.
Enough about defending, attacking. Players making the same run? How retarded. Long shots aren't as good anymore. Why is G NEV faster than Henry?? AHHHHH!!!
Goalkeepers - Just made the best save in the world ever, oop!! the ball hit him in the face and went in. Consistency please.
I gave up playing against the computer back in PES6, you NEVER feel outplayed by the PS you only ever feel robbed. Your players suddenly can't pass, can't run, are all bunched... you all know what I mean. Multiplayer is the only valid option now.
I'll never buy Fifa. But I'm not sure i'll get the new PES. And that makes me feel sick. October will become just another month....