I just hope it works online without lag that would be the biggest 'new feature'....

Updated graphics, new moves, new modes. WOW!!!!

Didn't see that coming. We can all look forward to another dissapointing game. The last one was rushed and another half finished game will destroy the reputation of this series.

Hopefully they have fixed the issue with the online server, and hopefully they include Joe Cole in the england squad this year.

As for destroying the rep of the series, will never happen. Even if the games utter crap, people will still say its the best thing since sliced bread.

"gameplay details revealed"

/konami rep puts "rules of football" into photocopier
/konami rep mails it out to gaming press

Dear Konami,

Please make the game with the playability of evo 4&5 with the graphics of 2009. You've clearly been slowly destroying the game since evo 6 so instead of "improving" the game by having keepers who are the reason strikers score instead of the reason they dont, and having players who just randomly pass to nobody, just go back to your roots, where you made a game with a massive fan base, and that was fantastic fun, instead of splitting people's opinions with Fifa, which is equally budget.
Oh and also, sort the physics out, I've got saced replays of the ball actually going through some people's bodies. If a bill hits someone, im pretty sure it doesnt have some sort of osmosis reaction.

Sincerely
Jonny

Um... I am not a huge Wii or DS fan but last time I checked, they sold like mad... so why aren't they getting versions? Seems like a strange business decision.

"The new game has undergone a stunning graphical update to ensure its players look and move even more like their real-life counterparts."
Music to my ears, although the screenshots didn't get me all excited. They seriously need to have a real clean-up in the graphics department. The last game looked like it was ported from the PS2 version(which wasn't bad) to the 360. I expect things now, like having real grass, not just a flat surface with some painted greenish stuff all over it.

Konami has really lost me with the last game. I think I'm switching to Fifa, that game has shown improvement.

And don't bull**** me about gameplay improvements, the series has undergone very little change over the years, it actually played worse in the last game. I guess the last game improvement was to make body balance the winning statistic.

Why do people cry so much about the gameplay? It's miles better than FIFA and apart from the licences it's the ultimate footballing console game... Agree with the LAG issue online but with regard to the gameplay it's all about adapting your game not hoping your same old technique works on the latest version(s). With 2008 you need to defend stronger and be less gung-ho - stop crying about letting in goals and get stuck in!!
Chunky Frog Web & Design Solutions

Its all very well saying just defend better, but its a joke because of the ridiculous body balance stat. Have you tried defending against Adriano/Henry/Drogba/Ibra etc ?

" it's all about adapting your game not hoping your same old technique works on the latest version(s). With 2008 you need to defend stronger and be less gung-ho - stop crying about letting in goals and get stuck in!!"

i have adapted my game. i still beat people 7-0 but when i do, i just find myself angry and pist off with all the stupid things the game does. its not a victory, just a demonstration of how crap the playability is even tho you get a convincing win. and to be honest, altho i love winning, i'd rather lose and know that its cos i got beat by someone better than me and know its down to my lack of skill, then rinse someone by scoring from stupid mistakes from defenders & keepers. i dont know if its supposed to come across as "realistic" but it sucks all the fun out of the game. a load of us play most days after work, and i just find myself playing one game and then wanting to leave cos i get so angry.

marko is right, u can hardly tackle the top strikers without sliding in & hamad is right by saying Fifa is nearly on par with the new PES titles. FIFA... on PAR with PES. Thats how bad its got. simple as.

" it's all about adapting your game not hoping your same old technique works on the latest version(s). With 2008 you need to defend stronger and be less gung-ho - stop crying about letting in goals and get stuck in!!"

i have adapted my game. i still beat people 7-0 but when i do, i just find myself angry and pist off with all the stupid things the game does. its not a victory, just a demonstration of how crap the playability is even tho you get a convincing win. and to be honest, altho i love winning, i'd rather lose and know that its cos i got beat by someone better than me and know its down to my lack of skill, then rinse someone by scoring from stupid mistakes from defenders & keepers. i dont know if its supposed to come across as "realistic" but it sucks all the fun out of the game. a load of us play most days after work, and i just find myself playing one game and then wanting to leave cos i get so angry.

marko is right, u can hardly tackle the top strikers without sliding in & hamad is right by saying Fifa is nearly on par with the new PES titles. FIFA... on PAR with PES. Thats how bad its got. simple as.

pes 2008 has one major problem, simply thats the online lag. i find whenever i beat someone i get an angry message with them complaining about my lag. its single handedly ruined pes and theres no excuse for it. there wasnt this problem with pes 6 so y this one. as for fifa i find that the first tiem i play it, it impresses me then after a day of play you notice all the un realistic movements ans passes, it drives me crazy its such a bad game that rides purely of its impressive graphics and licencing. the bottom line konami, you need better graphics, sort out the lag and for god sakes make all players human. adriano is soem sort of superhero. what a joke he aint even that good any way. even a avarage defender should stand a chance againts the big names. it should be down to each players individual skill not the stats which makes any old person able to beat a really decent player.

PES will and always has been the best football game out there..... The thing's u can do in PES is so real.... Somtimes when i play PES momments happen in the game that i have never seen before in the game, and ive been playing for years..... In FIFA u can run up the field with one player, doing almost flick flacks and spins og evry player before scoring.... It's just stupid.... PES is much more close to real football in evry way.... FIFA do not have that....

The problem with PES and fifa is they have no real competition other than each other.

If i ask you how you would rate COD4 you would compare it to halo, gears, resistance, quake, doom, the other COD games, the FEAR series, Far Cry etc etc. In that situation each game has to push to be different.

Would be nice to see even one more football franchise, even for a short time just to shake things up a little. Competition breeds innovation.

Le sigh...

Konami Needs to wake up to themselves. The more we dig into the future, the crapper PES gets.
Why cant it be a game to please everyone? Why cant it have deliberate diving? Why cant it have more tricks? Why cant the graphics b more realistic? Why do the EPL teams strips all stuffed up? PES 2009 better have diving like other games.

how can you guys forget to put diving in a SOCCER GAME!

Why do the players look like JEWS!

inter milan suck so dont put them in the game. Jews play better than them!

For gods sake MCV... can we have a "kids" filter on these comments sections?

It's bad enough with the "txt" typers and people who can't spell words more than 1 letter long... now we get PES fanboys and juvenile racists.

PES 2008 was Grate!! If the people form Konami improve just a little, will be good thing!

So here we go...
Seabass and the team of Konami monkeys have announced the release of their latest shocker. Forgive me for not giving a fig! Konami got away with treating fans like idiots last time round.. and the long, long wait for a patch or apology from the developers was a true disgrace - To add insult to injury, we are now supposed to trust the same developers, websites and magazines that ridiculously rated PES 2008 as 9/10 or 'next-gen splendour'...
Sorry.. but no thanks.
Gamers worldwide, do yourselves a favour. Stay low, show little interest, keep your money safe and wait for at least 100 reviews to be written BY CUSTOMERS on places like Amazon. By using gamer websites & reviews as your reference, you are making yourself vulnerable to marketing cons.
Let's go back.. PES 2008 should not have been released. Full stop. Konami should still be paying for that injustice now, (as should the dishonest game reviewers sponsored by Konami for bigging up an incomplete game).. but instead, people are contemplating giving them a chance with this next game!
This version will have it's faults no doubt, because it will have been rushed. I remember reading in Oct 2007, (4 days after wasting money on PES 2008) that Seabass was happy to delay the release until well into 2009 for two reasons..
1. Because 2008 was so bad
2. to get the franchise 'back to standards'...
Amazing how that has been scrapped and we are heading for another OCTOBER RUSH.
Konami have fallen away people. Integrity has gone out the door..
Evo 2008 went backwards even with the editing menu/function. Generally, PS3 games have been uninspiring since the consoles release.. But when you think carefully, what sense is there in making the 'ultimate game'? Customers won't buy the next installment will they? We will never get what we pay for. Plain and simple.
Get wise people. There have been enough versions of Evo now, to have the foundation for the greatest football sim ever created. But it will never be developed, because there is no money in it.
I guarantee PES 2009 is another over-hyped piece of code, that does nothing to warrant the extortionate price. I haven't had a footy game since purchasing my god forsaken PS3. Thanks to Konami.
FIFA is and always will be.. PANTS...!

Everything you say is so damn true dude! PES 2009 will be no different. Everyone please keep there pennys and then Konami will start to **** themselves I tell you.
Also who wants to waste so much time editing strips and other parts of the game when we should have official licenses and just enjoy flicking on the game and having a wicked game of togga!

very true pes 2009 should at least allow you to edit kits,boots and also please bring back the option of base copy in player edit so you can build your own team or classic teams

hope its better than pes 2008 coz that was a shocker, couldn't even give it away on ebay lol please bring back pes 6 online server and pes 5 playability. true pes fans aren't too fussed about the graphics as long as you bring back the playability!!
ps please go back to theold camera angle co no body like the one in pes 2008, it was just like fifa :(

the gameplay is still better than FIFA, if only they would keep the editing as advanced as it was in PES 6, such as the special hairstyles.

PES will always be better than FIFA imo

No ones mentioned the most obvious floor on pro evo 8!..which is the free kicks no matter who you play against any free kick upto 35 yrds out they will always score ive even tried pulling a defender back on the line but you suddenly have no control over him and the free kick goes in there is no realism in the free kicks at all even if you play aginst a crapteam and crap free kick taker they always score...dont tell me not conceed free kicks then! when that is not the answer any hardcore pro evo player understands what im on about...also 7/8 years and still no full licences!!! bull**** whats the reason when you have eidos codemasters fifa etc etc having full licences...the english lge is the biggest in japan and for some reason they still havent hot the premier lge licences...put youy ****ing hand in ytour pockets Konami bcause Fifa wether we like it or not is catching up.

they should return bck the game speed control just lke ps 1

sort out online lag, buy the feckin licence's, sort out the shocking commentry, put the penalty spot back, put the "CLUNK" back when you hit the post or bar. then it would be a great game once again.......am i wrong?

Every one goin on about the graphics and editing. Not impotant. Im just interested in gameplay. And Pes 2008 is missing key elements. The AI is weak. is it just my PES because nobody is mentioning the stupid runs my fellow strikers or lack of runs (more often) they make. And the automatic dummy which i dont want or this new 1-2 system it has to be the worst thing kanomi has done. The players making the 1-2 copy each others run and if one stops so does the other making it so that there is no run into the box from any1. total rubbish....sorry!!!

there is deliberate diving on the game.

L1+ L2 + R1 - pressed simultaneously executes a dive.

A Lot of people are sceptical about the new pes, i am an xbox 360 user and i thought 2008 was awesome fair enough online play wasnt what it should of been but the new update improved it some what, but i played the ps3 version and it was shocking and rightly so konami were heavily slated for it, but in my opinion as i always have a lot of friends round my house to play against this game has given me litterally hours of entetainment, hopefully due to the controversy over 08 they will of went all out 2 make 2009 the best football game ever released and I for 1 cant wait to find out...............

I see a lot of people were upset with PES 2008 (PS3) and I don't blame them. I wrote a lot about the mentality behind game making in my last post - but here are the things I found wrong with the game after playing it for no longer than 5 minutes. :)
* 1. Severe bug, causing loading issues.
* 2. Shocking frame rate.
* 3. Horrible crowd graphics. True next-gen disaster.
* 4. New AI not very intelligent at all.
* 5. Poor running motion of players. Backwards step for me.
* 6. Terrible editing facilities
* 7. Lack of stadiums
* 8. Silly additions like 'fan popularity' when the game play isn't even tuned.
* 9. Game crashes if you are downloading at the same time.
* 10. Konami were ignorant about the issues for too long and the patch didn't even fix the game to a suitable standard.
* 11. More on the PS2 version than on PS3..!! Don't know about you, but this is disgraceful as Konami obviously think PS3 customers are stupid and don't mind paying through the teeth for expensive new hardware whilst receiving shoddy, dated, pre-gen titles. This to me is the biggest 'mickey take' ever. PS3 users got conned big time last year. They should get the new game for half price or less. It's the least Konami can do.
I'll be waiting for customer reviews before Konami get anymore of my hard earned spondoolies.
Thanks for reading.

Looking forward to this.

Finding it hard to see how people can not view PES 2008 as a good game. It had a few problems, thats for sure. I own the 360 version but play on the ps3 one more often with friends.

Online play was terrible, far to much lag.
Editing mode, not many options
Free kicks, refs take an age to blow the wistle
Penalties in open play, camera angle in the bottom right behind the keeper
Loading times, slow (only on PS3)

All the above are negatives but you can not say it is a bad game. Its an improvement over the previous ones, superior graphics, gameplay and more realistic. Its the only game, with perhaps the exception of COD4 on the 360 that i still play since purchase.

I think the reasons why so many bad comments get made is that all pro fans love the game and see it as the best football series out there, so expectations run high.

PES 2008 is still far better then Fifa 08. I have both and by no means dislike Fifa but pro always comes out on top, for me Fifa only stands above pro due to it having more Official sponsers. Come the day Konami pull their finger out and spend more on licencing will we see the best of Pro.

I bet most people making negative comments about the PES 2008 still play it but are simply venting frustration that Pro deserves to be truely next gen, which I agree with.

PES 2008 a good game, yes, a bad game, no, possible improvements of course

I do not agree about saying the gameplay of pes 2009 is worse. I was as equally pi**ed of like everyone with the bad graphics, the online lag etc. But come one, the 1 vs 1 player game is the best ever. You have to defend better, the player without the ball move much more intelligently, its a tighter game, if they keep the game play the same and improve the graphics and movement of players it would be enough. One thing that needs to be arranged is definitely the keepers, buffon (supposedly the best keeper) punches so many shots into the net himself. its incredible. Also when the hell are they gonna REVAMP the whole palyer statistics, i mean come on,,, c.ronaldo can't shoot a ball, torres, villa and so many other 'new' good players are still averagely good. we still got ronaldo (brazil) as one of the best players? they have to revamp the whol palyer statistics.

Has anyone actually mentioned no 2v2 in 2008!!!! Never even entertained 08 because it had no 2v2 absolutely ridiculous!!!! It was a backwards step in my book!! Please konami, if you do one thing with Pes 09.......put AT LEAST 2v2 in!! Live the dream!!
Over n out!

Ok Konami, this is your last chance lol ive been an avid fan for like 10 years now...i have to admit, PES 2008 was fantastic on PC (though only thanks to a fine patch release for kits etc) but online it was once again laughable..is it just me or during online gameplay is any strike at goal cushioned with NASA approved pillow technology??...absolutely awfull..and screen tear on my card was intensly frustrating at first..(at release i had quite an awesome setup card wise etc) Console attempts were purely dire..or is that Dyer?..XBOX360...what a joke..though a joke i didnt get?...PS3? yeah ok great, but did it really have to take a HDMI cable to unlock the graphic potential, though yet again, still screen tear glitches and a pee poor top 4 kit renderer as the only choice to give some realism ...come on Konami, i love you but your making me not mind getting drunk and laid by Fifa lol...(yeah...really drunk i know)....and get a damn licence eh even just a Prem licence...call it a Provisional lol...rule the market again before we all end up turning to the dark side of football...plays Imperial March Theme... oh and while im here...whats up with having 2V2 multiplayer options online? can it really be that hard nowadays?
lots of love, Rikster x x x

Last years game was the nail in the coffin for me, I think that FIFA, whilst not perfect, is going to easily surpass PES this year. I was such a PES fanboy having played the series since it was ISS on the SNES, it is sad that they are basically producing the most stripped down, boring football game they could possible think of these days - the game is absolutely devoid of all options which leaves for an extremely un-fun game.

PES 2008 was disappointing in regards to lag during online matches and the keepers inability to save seemingly simple shots but apart from that, lighten up you ungrateful bar stewards. PES will always be on your shopping lists because your a PES fiend, as am I. You will never be happy because, thats not what were about. PES can always be better and thats why we cant wait for the new one to come out. Lets just hope they sort the lagging issues out but even if they dont, your still gonna go out and buy PES 2010, why, because we love this tooooo much. BOY YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!!

The server is in Japan hence the major lag. The best 'feature' they could add is a European server. 2v2 needs to be brought back too. The rest just needs cleaning up a bit and some new touches added so it's not a beta in the guise of a finished game.

Wtf You can dive on PES2008 why are you all saying you cant.

Btw if you want join my fantasy football league on skysports.com league pin = 2009296

I dont know why people say about FIFA as it stands Pro is better then FIfa, the gameplay on fifa is so arcady only thing i like about fifa is the keepers are much more relistic if they put them into the Pro series omg! bu yeah i do think fifa is creeping up on pro but they just need to sort out the online play, goal keepers, off the ball defending A.I and like some1 else said about the ball going through the player!!

recon it'll need much of a pc update from pes2008?

nothing but love for the series that always keeps getting
better and better

i hope do the freekicks are quicker and that the referees get less attention..

well first of all pes2009 has to get way more license for the entire english premier league because that league plays a huge role!!!!...and i think during the gameplay players run way to fast well thats the only thing i like from fifa they have realistic movement from the players they just move realistic but pes2008 has improved the detailness of the players for example:moving jerseys by the wind and the referees too....well pes2009 really needs to be a huge boom....dont screw it up plz!!!!!

I'm a massive Pro fan, hell you can even call me a fan boy as I've had every Pro since the PS1. I've now got a 360 and PES2008 wasn't just a bad Pro, it was a bad game full stop. People are bang on when they say they felt cheated - PES2008 wasn't ready.

Everything about the game cried out 'rushed' from the AI to the tacky menu system and don't get me started on the graphics (which are actually better on the ps2). And by graphics I'm not completely referring to how 'pretty' they are (even though they are not) - poor animation, terrible frame rate and lack of detail really wasn't next gen.

It didn't feel like a Pro game, not when there's no point to passing when you can run half the field with any player with pace and balance and crack off a shot getting a corner or goal.

There was no skill to winning, just run, run, run – PES2009 will be the first pro I don’t pre-order as I’m going to have to rent it as my faith in the series has been shot. Am actually considering FIFA 09, now that’s tragic.

Check this out . . . . I had a lads night the other week and guess what I turned up with Pro Evo 4 which I bought for 98p in game a few hours earlier. All being PES gamers from day one they remebered it was good but still looked at me as though the men in white coats were comming to get me any minute . . . . . But . . . . . . I put it on and 6/7 hours later we were still playing, sinking a few beers and having the best pro session we have had in years.
That shows in a pure and simple way how Konami need to take a good look at themselves and sort there s*it out !!!!!

I think pes 2008 was ok not great but not terrible its still miles better than fifa which is not realistic nor does it take any skill to play, as for the new pes it needs to step its game up a bit as if its the same or worse than 2008 then god help it! pes 6 was the best in the series for me brilliant game. And i agree with the lag on xbox live it ruins the game.

I don't care about the license, I don't care if Beckham doesn't look exactly like Beckham, I don't care about the crowd being realistic, I don't care if Ican't edit hairstyles, I just want my Pro Evo back!!!
I've bought every game since ISS on the SNES. I know my PES. A lot of people have made a lot of valid points on here, I just hope Konami listen.
For me, 08 wasn't the big improvement they got me all excited about pre-release with the big A.I. marketing spin. I did enjoy it, particularly on PS2, then I played the PS3 version. Now, what happened here? The screen jolts mid game, the players move weird, there are so called uber-players (Ronaldo, Adriano, you know who they are) that can't be touched.
But for me, the worst thing is the A.I. There is no A.I. How often have you found three of the back four all stood in the same square yard leaving a huge gap for a player to run through?! How many of the A.I controlled defenders are going to come to the ball leaving huge gaps? why does the opposite side full back come across the pitch to receive the throw in? How many times is your full back outnumbered 3 to 1? Defending on PES has always been about positioning, don't dive in, shut them out. You can't do either anymore. How often does another human player run down the wing, cut in and square it across the 6 yard box for a tap in? We've named this 'the blueprint'. Works everytime, no one can stop it, no one enjoys doing it but the need to win makes you exploit the floors in the game.
Enough about defending, attacking. Players making the same run? How retarded. Long shots aren't as good anymore. Why is G NEV faster than Henry?? AHHHHH!!!
Goalkeepers - Just made the best save in the world ever, oop!! the ball hit him in the face and went in. Consistency please.
I gave up playing against the computer back in PES6, you NEVER feel outplayed by the PS you only ever feel robbed. Your players suddenly can't pass, can't run, are all bunched... you all know what I mean. Multiplayer is the only valid option now.
I'll never buy Fifa. But I'm not sure i'll get the new PES. And that makes me feel sick. October will become just another month....

Another thing, anyone played the Wii version? I feel that may be my only option for PES in the future...

just make the master league multi player would be sweet competeting with your mates for promotion and relegstion whilst also competing with them in the transfer market

I have been playing PES since it was on PSone (when it was ISS). In my opinion, they have killed the last few versions of the series by making players like Kaka, ibra, Ronaldinho,, adriano, henry, rooney too good. Not just too good, but to the extent where it is almost imposible to tackle unless you corretly guess their movement of direction or foul them. This has allowed peeople to pick teams like Brazil or Inter and literally just run with one or two players, with no skill invloved. I am sorry to say, but the series is evolving into what FIFA was...which is a total shame.

Also guys, I dont think licenses or editing are the issues. These are just 'touches' to the game that are not significant if there is good game play. Konami have to get back to the roots of PES. I think there is too much emphasis on making the game realistic. why?? Surely, if we want a caption of 'real' football, we would go out and play it. Games are meant to be fun, and PES has lost the fun for me. How about Konami sort out the AI, sort out the issues with the overly good players (ron, adriano, c ron etc), the messy tackling which allows the ball to run all over the place, and have a game system that rewards good passing and some imagination. It has got so boring watching adriano run past 3 defenders and score....that should not be PES..that is FIFA. I hope 2009 is better (but i dont think it will).

Stop all complaining, pes is a mint game and although the last one wasnt as improved as i would of hoped i have every confidence that the new one will be a lot better,and i definetly will be buying it!

i think pes is a bit dissapointing because the players dont outclass each other enough, some players like martins the fastest player on the game is only a bit faster then people with speed of say 75 but in a real match martins wud kill the other player in a run for the ball,also stanley matthews was one of the best players ever and hes not on the classic england team nor was gordan banks so i think you shud research that a bit better.

pes is still a very gd game however which you shud continue to improve!

i agree rob they havnt even got maradonna playing for england on pes! i mean come on! everyones heard of him

Rob,

Why would you want players to really outclass each other? That would mean you could pick Martins and just run around everyone...which is not the point of PES. Come on guys...PES was great because it got rid of the 'run and go' systems. Surely, we all really liked PES because it was different to other football games. A good PES player should be able to pick a lesser team and win. Rob, the way you want PES to be like is back in the past when FIFA dominated. I'm sure you don't want that.

I think that PES 2009 will be brillant and that PES 2008 was another rushed game but still its the only game were the person who is playing can play proper football. FIFA 08 what a waste of time i agree better grafics but it is a loads of pooooooooooo were game play is consirned so why conplain, the only things that need to be improved is the kits and the badges for most of the premiership teams and maybe a bit more choice with the teams like putting teams in like Accrington Stanley, Bristol Rovers and others i dont meen just them i meen the hole english leagues like FIFA do. COYB COYB COYB COYB - EVERTON FC

Anyone who comments about badges, editing, kits and hair styles is totally void about what constitutes PES. It has always been and will always be about the game play. Simple, and it should stay that way. Having more teams would be useless, there are enough to choose from as it is, and in any case, online players pick the a small section of excellent club and national teams. I await to hear comments regarding the gameplay which I feel has been poor recently not gimmicks ( we should leave that to the FIFA boys).

i hope that u had worked on the master league manager issues like the cost of every player the real cost and giving a budget for every team like the "ea" fifa.iwish u can dauplicate them in the manager options of the master league.

Totally agree with Elton, couldn't have said it better myself. Konami...sort out the tap ins and the uber players.

I think pes 2009 needs to correct the refereeing , defence tackles from the side, goalkeeping- whch was awful in pes 2008-and put more reality in shooting.I hope pes 2009 updates the player qualities in guys like c.ronaldo,torres and many more! guys like adriano, ibra, ronaldo of brazil have fake impossible movmt and ability in pes 08.E.As euro 2008 (not fifa 2008 whch was fake) shws smethng close to reality and if they go by this i will consider fifas 2009.

Ok where to start?? As has been mentioned a million times above the pro franchise has given all of us much joy and a warm glow inside knowing that you have dispatched ur mate with a real masterclass performance..........

Pro evolution 2008 is better then fiifa 08 - but only marginally. I did play fifa 08 and i was impressed how smooth the graphics where and also the great commentary on offer. that was it. apart from that its terrible - the player animations are rubbish and most importantly the gameplay (the life blood of any foot ball game) is largely floored.

Pro 2008 has many flaws, one of which are the TERRIBLE goal keepers. they spill absolutley everything!!! i mean i have no confidence in them. thing is when they spill it it goes right in front of the goal & hence the strikers. you cant trust them to come and catch corners cos even the likes of petre czech arnt capable of that!!!!!!!!! its ridiculous.

Then as mentioned in the above post the so called "superhuman players" I dnt care what any1 sais the likes of drogba, c. ronaldo, imbrahimovich and that fatty adriano cant just run through every1. with these guys the standle tackle is redindant cos it wont work against em. you have to time your slide tackles very well else you wont get em, even then you'l get pulled up for a foul. disgracful!!! Adriano is the worst culprit because the guy has put on loads of weight and he is not even a shadow of the player whom terrorised serie A defenders a while back.

Is it me or is michael owen overrated in that game. i mean he cant run that fast anymore and he's not that strong either.

Just like everyone else i will not pay a single penny for pes 2009 until i read like 100 reviews and play a demo of the game. i was very trusting of konami b4 but now they have behaved like kids by releasing an incomplete game and as such all trust has been lost.

Bring back game engine of pes 5, improve the smoothness of the graphics like fifa, look in the archives and bring back all the options & features which the critics praised in the previous pro's e.g editing system,

i dont hold much faith for pes 09 cos konami are making too many versions for pro, i mean before they could just concentrate on making it for playstion hence why we always had a great pro evo. now the money hungry guys at konami are doing a fifa and releasing across all platforms buy just porting from one system to the other. disgraceful!

I'l never buy fifa, but i will keep it if i can get it for free and the same goes for a crappy pes09. dnt get me wrong id still play it just to beat my mates once in a while but the dedication in which i use to have via masterleague et al has long gone.

Seabass or more appropriately "Seamonkey" get your ****ing act together and make a half decent football game or the pro evo reputation will be tarnished for ever

Proverb Quote: An ounce of foolishness can outweigh a pound of wisdom and honour, i.e a 1 **** edition of pro evo 08/09 can and will destroy konami's reputation.

Thanks

The great Divaldo

Thank you Divaldo! You are 100% correct. I am glad someone commented on the gameplay and the superhuman players. I agree with you, the PES series is being rushed and they cant cope with developing for different platforms, its that simple. I think pes 6 had a good game engine....not perfect by far but it could be improved. The keepers didnt spill on it and the tackling is OKish (unless you are against ronaldo, adriano, ibra etc etc). Konami have to improve the above and perhaps they should also try to speed up the gameplay slightly....if they try to con us by adding stupid little tricks or new kits, then the PES series would definately be in trouble.

its only the online dey need to sort out da likes of da lagg, and get groups and lobbys back too. p.s hopefully fatboy adriano aint superman too'

I have read almost all of the different opinions reflected on this blog and I have to agree to 90% of all the things said in here. I felt ripped off after 10 days of buying my copy of PES 2008; nevertheless I bought 2 copies of the game: for PS3 and PS2 and guess what? On the PS2 game there was the option to play a tournament with another human controlled game besides your own and on the PS3 version, no! WTF?? I buy this game for that simple reason! I don't want to play a tournament for 7 or 32 games with anothe human opponent and not by myself! I was so pissed! Why in one game there was that option and on another version, more advanced, supposedly, that feature didn't exist!?!? Why can't Konami be decent about this game? I really don't know wether to buy PES 2009 or not... I just really don't know...

wat can i say pes 08 online play is utter ****, international squads are ****, harder difficulty makes your players retarded
not licensed fifa 09 is the game to buy this year

pes on the ps2 was amazing i could play on it for hours mainly due to the point that it was different every time you played it but now the gameplay is ridiculous strikers who are not even that good in real life such as adriano and ronaldo can just run through your defence no matter what you do also why are we changing to fifas camera angle and where is the good editer gone from pes 2005 and so on as i used to edit more time than i used to play the game, that is if no kit licenses have been bought which would be even better .sort it out we deserve value for our money but still fifa wouldnt even get through my front door

well wa can i say absoulte bolloks kits an badges are tripe all players look like they have eaten to much chocolate pudgey haha all i am gonna say is SEASON / MASTER LEAUGE FIFA 08 --- 1. REAL MONEY 2. FANS CHANT & RAVE GREATE 3.GRAPHICS TWEAKED 4.AND THE GAME HAS LOWER LEAGUES LIKE CHAMPIONSHIP ETC. ALL GRAVEY ....... PES --- 1 .WHAT THE HELL YOU BUY A MAJOR TRANSFER C . RONALDO TO AC MILAN FOR 20,0000 POINTS OH MY DAYS AM APPAULD BY WHAT KONAMI HAVE DONE I SOLD MY PES TO THE BIN 4 FREE I SNAPED MY DISC WELL MY LIL BROTHER DID MY BRO WAS IN TEARS THINKIN A I WAS GONNA BOOT HIS FACE IN BUT A DIDN,T I LAUGHTHED A BOUGHT FIFA AND WELL IMPRESSED TOUCHES R NICE AND SKILL YU CAN TEAR YUR OPPOSITION INTO PEACES I USTA LOVE THE ASS OFF PES BUT TRAJIC IT HAS BECOME AND I HAVE PLAYED A DEMO OF FIFA 09 DOWNLOADED OFF PS3 STORE ONLINE ABSOULUTE AMAZING I THINK FIFA HAVE CRAKED THE CODE AND ANOTHER THING IS WHY DO EA SPORTS AND KONAMI BATTLE IT OUT EVERY YEAR BOTH GAMES AR GOING TO END UP THE SAME GAME AFTER A GOOD FEW YEARS WHY DONT BOTH COMPANYS JUST GET TO GETHER AND GIVE ALL US LOVERS OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME WHAT WE WANT A FANTASTICALY FUN, REALISTIC GAME . P.S. THE IS MENT TO BE A NEW FOOTBALL GAME THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BATTLE IT OUT WIV THEM BOTH ITS MADE BY ACTIVISION I THINK THEY PUBLISHED CALL OF DUTY NOT QUITE SHURE PEACE OUT PLUS ANY 1 ONLINE ON PS3 ADD ME TO YOUR FRIENDS LIST dj_mikey_m SEE YA'S ON THE PITCH

sira ayri all of you.. yeah true 08 was crappy and definitely rushed. since 06 came out the series was in a major downfall. anyone realise how competitive 05 was?? then came 06 nd 7 and 8 where you smash players silly?? i dont understand. and **** sake wats with the unlicensed teams like arsenal and chelsea wtfff?? its a joke go look at their kits. anyway konami will do better this year so its a plus from 08. fifa always sucked and still does :)

Konami
what u did to me was down right disgusting, u tricked me by using Pro Evo, the very thing which i have liked since the day i laid my hands on a PS1 controller and played Pro Evo. This game which has made me happy, i lived to play Pro evo, this game rescued me from fifa. This game has provided me with so much entertainment and in fact this game was the reason i got my Xbox 360 (until i discovered Gears..lol). i couldn't wait to play online. just like every other Pro Evo fan, the day Pro Evo 2008 came out i got myself a copy, not knowing what disappointment laid ad head i was happy that i got my PES 2008. anyway be that as it may what u guys did to me, i don't think I'll get another pes game although it hurts thinking that my only option is fifa man **** well i guess Gears of War 2 is coming and i will pre-ordering that so i guess I'll be ok, there Will be other games I'm sure. i don't think I'll touch PES 2009 unless it works and function like a nextgen PES game is suppose to function!!

pes 2008 is rushed its like pro 6 even pes 4 is better well if you go on game spot and check up on pro evolution soccer 2009 there is a video that says that they have recived alot of feedback from the fans that they havre improved and the goal keepres are better the keepers in all the series where all completey ****i*ng b***sh** if u notice when you cross the keeper come towards you which leaves the damm goal open wtf. PRO 9 BEST BE GOOD and also they put a "become a legend mode or sumfin like dat" they best get licence man and sum proper music not some bull crap music and the team names proper man not like teeside and man blue and man red and crap like that man and the kit need to definelty approve and the menu and the online bacially everything SOO I REST MY CASE KEYLOCKED

i have played pes since the fith in the series and love it always get fifa aswell but just does not compare and i end up taking it back i have downloaded fifa o9 demo the only thing it has over pes are the rights to the teams and the penalties are alot better

PES 2008 was the worst thing i have ever seen in ages. Everything about the game was totally fake and unreal and i gave up playing after a week. i am a great PES fan however i think FIFA has stepped up over the years and from what i have seen with FIFA 09 it looks like its going to totally pwnt PES which is scary and unacceptable. If the new PES is not as good as the last one i will move on to a football game that is really making an effort with better customer service in terms of gameplay.

Bought pes 2008 on release date last year and switched it off after 2 games online and continued playing pes 6. I have tried playing online on and off over the last YEAR and its still just as bad as day one. £40.00 down the drain. Sent 4 emails to Konami and have heard **** all back. Glad they appriciate my custom as ive bought nearly all the pes from the very first one.
Still playing pes 6 and recently sold my £40.00 pes 2008 purchase on ebay for £6.97. It ended up costing me around about £8.00 a "game" if thats what you can describe it as.
Still prefer pes to Fifa but really dubious about purchasing 2009 because of the utter contemp Konami have treated there loyal players and myself on 2008.

i have always been a big fan of pro-evo ever since the first one on ps1, but i have gotta say the last version 2008 has made me seriously think about ever buying it again. So many nights i have turned off my xbox360 in total disgust at this game.
Im not the best player but also not the worst but it doesnt matter if i host a game or not the opposition always seem to be first to the ball and win all 50/50 challenges??? is it really me? and Lag my god i love gears of war and that is the glitchiest laggiest game ever but i tell you i will by gears 2 not doubt about that . but pro-evo 2009 now thats a tough call god i have even thought of turning to the fifa side. i think i will wait for player reviews to see if its worth the hard earnt cash. come on konami can you see that £40 for another piece of **** and that will be curtains for you.

Ok.. ive been reading all the comments and basically it all comes down to PES vs FIFA..me personally. PES gameplay is juz miles ahead of fifa. but of course.. i cant deny bout the graphics of fifa.. pes and fifa should work together i think.... lol.
there are some things i think both brands have to take note in terms of gameplay.. ok.. first, i think that on corners if u watched real life football. u see big defenders coming up so that the chances of scoring are higher.. but fifa and pes aint possible... 2nd, keeper coming up on the last min. im not sure bout fifa but pes definately not possible. not sure if the new fifa 09 and pes 09 has all this features.. if not plz... put them in... playing soccer games are all bout making it as realistic as it can be...thank you.

just got pes early and so did some others ninsox .com/ps3/pes-2009-hands-pro-evolution-soccer-2009/

Well, I have come across this page and I have read almost all the comments and I have understood that many of you are crying, because some guys beat you up all the time.

Alright, if you are blaming Konami for being unable to make the impossible possible. As long as Konami tries, it will never make something real. Reatlity? Reality is created by God not people.

For those who said that the defense is terrible and the opposite team has unbelievable body balance, well that's true, but why don't you choose the same team as your opponent's and prove that he can't beat you and that you are the best.

Wake up guys, it's all about skills, practise, intelligence and if your opponent makes unbelievable moves and scores, be sure that you can do the same. Even if it's not real, you gotta play it. I play, I win, I lose and no matter what happens that's just a video game, it has nothing to do with reality and I have to prove that I am a good player.

I have never played FiFA and I won't coz I've been a fan of PES, and FIFA is like rugby. It has been always behind PES for years and fans.

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