I think its a little presumptious to write off the PS3, it has a hell of alot more going for it than the Gamecube did. I'm sure a price cut sometime this year will work wonders.

I understand the Wii's product placement and it's great that it's reached out to a previously untouched market but I can't see it lasting another 5 years!
I feel the Wii is in danger of becoming a passing fad or just a stepping stone to the next gen consoles.
The Wii looks more and more dated as each day passes

thats an interesting view, i have to agree, when kids get older and dont want to play with mummy and daddy any more, they will go for 360 or ps3, the wii will get traded, but these things go in cycles, also when you consider that the ps3 has pretty much the same ammount of users on its online service as the 360, its difficult to see how it can be compared to the game cube ?? cant remember seeing any god of war games on the cube or Gran turismo etc etc

We've not seen the end of the PS3, as Oracle said, a price cut will likely drive sales and the console itself has a lot to offer. Before I got mine I thought it's a little over priced, but in actual fact the machine is pretty dynamic, games (great exclusives this year), PSN (for stuff like Pixel Junk Monsters, AWESOME), BlueRay player, wireless capabilities...

I paid £250 for my PS2 back when it was 1st released, that was worth every penny, the PS3 is only a fraction more expensive and offers a great deal more! The PS3 will have a long shelf life.

I've said this before, but most people I know who have a Wii have it sitting next to their TV collecting dust. Games like House of the Dead may bring it out of it's early retirement but not for long.

(I still wanna get a 360 though, for L4D if nothing else)

I think the Wii has definitely proven to a touch more than a fad. It has expanded the market and targeted casual gamers, which are people who are not usual gamers or people who sit in front of a tv playing games for hours which is probably why most people who have one don't play it much. End of the day we are talking about Nintendo who are probably the most innovative company in the industry who are always ahead of everyone else in what they are doing and i expect that to continue this generation although the PS3 is far from done as well as the Xbox360.

To dismiss the Wii's success as a fad is lazy. The irony is that Nintendo has done exactly what Sony did to Nintendo, tapped into a different market and expanded consumer interest in gaming. For me the Wii delivers on three levels, it provides a great repository of some of the best Nintendo games via the Wii Shop, "casual" games that I can play with friends and family who just want fun, and some great first and third party titles, with 2009 looking even better than last year. As for the platform's longevity, I have a feeling Nintendo will take a sinilar approach to the Wii as to their handheld consoles, and reinvent and upgrade.

Having said that, I have a PS3 and I enjoy the benefits of a console that allows me to watch blu-ray movies and play some incredibly immersive and beautiful games - LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Drake's Fortune.

The mistake that Sony and Microsoft have made, or should I say the games developers of those platforms, is having a schedule of games that to the casual observer all seem so similar - FPS after FPS. I, for one, don't want every gaming experience to involve looking down the barrel of a gun. Consumers want diversity and fun and the Wii delivers both.

I think Wii 'could' outsell PS2/PSTwo, but it won't come to that. Nintendo won't keep it on the market long enough.

Moreover, PS3 has already outsold GameCube and it not even done, so it is hard to see it suffering the same fate. Sony has shown when it says 10 years it sticks to that as the minimum. PSX/PSOne has a very long tail with eleven years of production. The PS2/PSTwo might actually have the same long tail of production and sales. Then again it could last 12 years in production or more.

There is no doubt Wii is doing extremely well, but given it taps a new (or depending on your POV ‘old’) segment of the market it is hard to know its real impact let alone how history will play out. I think both MS and Nintendo see what Sony does with PSTwo sales, but I don’t think either sees it working for them in the same way.

@3: "when kids get older and dont want to play with mummy and daddy any more"

I work in a game development studio full of adults, there are more of us with a Wii, than there are of us with a PS3. There are less of us with children that play with "mommy and daddy" as you say. Then again, there are more "gamers" in here than fanboys too. You sound like a typical PS3 owner with "sales figure envy"... get over it!

also... "when you consider that the ps3 has pretty much the same ammount of users on its online service as the 360"

Actually, no it doesn't. the Sony figures rely on something that applies to a fairly high percentage of PS3 owners.

I, for example, count as 3 people on the PSN. Unlike the 360 and it's account system, when you make a regional account, you count as a "unique" PSN identity.

If I count as 3 people, how many others count as 3 people. Certainly everyone I know with a PS3 does and you only have to browse some gaming forums to realise that pretty much everyone on there does.

If this is the case, the the figures are nowhere near correct, in fact, they could potentially be only 33% of the "claimed" figures.

Sony are also going to struggle to push the PS3 as the cheapest and best player in future. Now that multi-region (for DVD's at least) Blu-Ray players are available for well below the price of a PS3, videophiles will choose something that doesn't make their DVD collection redundant over something that is "locked down" so to speak. It's a well publicised fact that a good percentage of the initial purchasers bought it for BR movies rather than games (as happened with the PSP)... yet Sony are quite happy to include those people into the figures they push to game sites.

The truth of matters like this is, the only ones concerned by it all, are the ones playing catch up and the people that "only" own that single console. I guess maturity isn't dictated by the console you own, more the attitude to the other people owning something different.

tthats an interesting view, i have to agree, when kids get older and dont want to play with mummy and daddy any more, they will go for 360 or ps3, the wii will get traded well see there is this thing called having kids that kinda kills this point don't you think. fanboys aside common sense will tell you any system can change the platform race standings. it's easy to say what happens in the future when you have no real idea. each system has very strong points and weak ones if you don't see them all youre not a hardcore gamer just a fan boy. i think the ps3 is an overpriced right now and it's killing sony. Nintendo was smart and didn't bite more than they could chew. and i think it might have been a blessing x-box killed off HD discs.

It's entirely possible for the Nintendo Wii to topple the PS2 IF the Wii has as long an innings as Sony's console. As a retailer who, for the first time since the consoles launch, still has plenty of Wii's in stock now and over the Chritmas period I just can't see it. While still selling very well it's clear, lookinng up an down the high street, that the Wii is reaching saturation point. Will the Wii continue to sell in large numbers 4, 5 or even 6 years from now? I seriously doubt it.

On a side note this comment from Charlie:

"Consumers want diversity and fun and the Wii delivers both"

Fun? Yes, but diversity? Hardly. It's clear to anyone looking at the Nintendo Wii's software line up that it mainly appeals to just one demographic, there's nothing truly diverse about it at all.

If Sony survives at all, maybe they will be able to afford to price cut the PS3.

But they had unfortunate timing to be selling a console that costs far more to build than its competitors.

How can they drop the price on something they're already losing money on each unit on?

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