ok i think this is way too late now, we really dont sell many ds games, people come in to see what games are out then go and download them, any one going to ban the new card that can be used with the dsi ?? m4 card ? Nintendo ? me thinks the horse has already bolted

R4 cards aren't illegal, using them for piracy is illegal. Unless of course there has been a recent change that I am unaware of?

ebay and Amazon not selling them won't make a blind bit of difference anyway, there are still thousands of independent retailers both on and offline who are selling the cards buy the bucket load.

As the fella above said, the horse has already bolted.

In the next Nintendo shocker, they'll be fighting to ban the illegal PC which lets you access the internet to download the copied games. This will be closely followed by every publisher who will ban illegal blank media as it is used for pirated software of every kind.

So while Nintendo illegally blackmails users into giving up personal information in return for the full usability of their console and services, they strong-arm retailers selling what are in fact legal items... hypocrisy at its finest.

Remember, these devices DO NOT infringe the copyright any more than a blank DVD and burning software.

But of course, mention any of this and the greed driven retailers will promptly put their fingers in their ears and go La-La-Laaaaaaaaaaa.

The homebrew scene will keep these things alive, you know, those people with creative talent that this industry relies on... not the "that'll be £30 please" people, who suck the living daylights out of it.

Great move by Nintendo I'd say.

I guess the utter failure of GTA prompted them to get tough. And great to see Amazon and eBay get behind them.

The person above me is clearly a fool. The DS is piracy ridden because of the R4 Card and similar devices. And the fact that Nintendo is finally able to fight them is great news for the industry at large.

It could set a precedent against future devices. And hopefully future core DS owners won't be tempted by the R4 if getting hold of one will prove awkward.

all they really need to crack down on is the devices that COPY the game off the card... but it is true that the R4 has no other use than storing and playing illegal copys of games so in that aspect its an illegal device... i personally hate the idea of the R4 since no game designers want to spend any money developing a game thats only going to sell 1 copy (then uploaded and downloaded by all you people that are too cheap to just buy the game) the thing thats really sad is that anybody who own's an R4 are just riding on other people's coat tails and have done nothing else but break the law and ruin things for people who actually support the DS

Shaggy said: " R4 has no other use than storing and playing illegal copys of games"

Err, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Clearly the closest you've ever come to an R4 card is a picture of one.

Honestly, where do this clueless idiots come from?

I mean, £30 for original DS games is daylight robbery. We're all aware of Nintendo's history with high prices. Pirate games will always be available for the DS. If original DS games sold for £1 each, people would still download games onto R4 cards or whatever cards are out there.

Instead of removing the sale of these cards, they should just wisen up like Apple did. Downloading is going to happen...it is so much more convenient to buy 1 thing from a store and then go on your computer where you never have to leave the house to get all the data you could ever want to put on it...saves time. Instead of banning these cards...they should be smarter about it...go ahead get an R4...Nintendo should think about making their own game version of iTunes. Cost less to manufacture the game, so the price is lower and Nintendo makes a higher profit by selling games slightly discounted but no hareware costs (Nintendo blew the hardware thing with the 64 against the cost to make playstation games) and then consumers will be happy that they game have games at a much more reasonable price, and the convenience will make it much more enjoyable..apple stepped outside of the box, i think it is about time other industries did.

Homebrew applications - essentially software created by independent developers and users - must in the same way as the creators of mods. these talents go a long way to positions in the industry.

I have an R4 "like-device" but I use my for the legal side of the fence,
I support Homebrew, Homebrew is a fantastic scene there is great applications, programs and games. I do buy retail available titles, we should not be tarred with the same brush really, but i understand nintendo feels they should take action.

Shaggy said: " R4 has no other use than storing and playing illegal copys of games"

Err, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Clearly the closest you've ever come to an R4 card is a picture of one.

Honestly, where do this clueless idiots come from?

Kimjohnlees agrees. just another one those who jump on the "lets clamp it down bandwagon"

from saturday 8th aug 2009 EBAY are allowing e bay sellers to sell download games , many buyers thought they were buying bundles of games , pay pal gave no support to buyers , no refund given