As an independant game retailer id like to say no i wont be using the loophole. Supplying games with age related content isnt only a legal matter, its a social and ethical matter, even if you dont supply these titles to underage people they still get them. I certainly did when i was younger and i think most manufacturers would see a big drop in sales if the law was tightened too much.

Why is it that they always assume we are the ones that will use the loophole and how dare they assume we do sell Adukt games to kids.

We are responsible retailers with a lot more to lose if an Indie does sell to children.

We are Indies who's business is our livelyhood and as so 99% of Indies are more likely to adhere to these laws than larger companies.

How many times do we here of supermarkets and high street retailers having computer problems or staff training issues when they get caught selling adukt games to children or breaking street dates

STOP ASSUMING INDIES DON'T CARE

I've spoken to five other indies today and we and all of them won't be 'taking advantage' of this loophole. As the person above says, this isn't a legal issue - it's an ethical one. Still, amusing that those snidy little Which? articles and 'national newspaper exposes' that have seen good stores slagged off for selling games to 16 year olds now mean absolutely nothing!

fair enough if you say that youre not going to sell the games to the kids but i get asked about grand theft auto and fallout all the time by teengaers .ive never sold them but if i can actually now do it now without being arrested then thats some serious money for me anyway at the age of 15 or 16 youre old enough to play violent games i watched nightmare on elm street when iw as 12!!!! times are tough weve had out credit limits removed and i reckon we might close next year if things dont improve so if i can make some extra money then i will though i wont sell violent games to really young kids just those who i think are old enough to deal with it.

I am with Floyd on this... minus the bad writing.

I own three independent stores, and I've let my staff know that they don't have to check age ratings for the time being. I imagine we've sold a few copies to underaged kids. But you won't get seven year-old's after GTA.

kinda ironic that the ERA says this seeing that their own about me page says... "formed in 1988 by a group of record dealers - independents, multiples and wholesalers" guess theyve forgotten they were independants too.
controlling what kids get their hands on is way out of a retailers hands unfortunatly. we could all ID and probe every customer but kids would still get them.
if noone under 18 got their hands on a copy of GTA 4 how would that have affected sales of that title?
and what if no retailer supplied it to an under 18?
whichd have had more impact. id say retailers have little impact on the end result

There is no excuse for bad ethics in buisness!

For those of you who are willing to sell games to under age kids, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
This proves the point that some of you will do anything to make a few quid, be it importing games, selling trade ins as new, breaking street dates and now selling to the under age.

You disgust me!

@ Floyd
"though i wont sell violent games to really young kids just those who i think are old enough to deal with it."

How exactly do you plan on identifying those who can deal with a violent game? You have them at the till for what a few minutes, and in that time you think you can accurately assess whether the 14 year old in front of you is old enough to deal with an 18 game?

Its an 18 for a reason you idiot!

I think given what the independants have and are going through at the moment you can't blame them for halting checking ages before selling these games.

There is a distinct difference between "making a few quid" and keeping your head above water... At the end of the day kids will get the game in some way shape or form and I'm sorry but whilst there is no law against it, you can stand on your moral high ground Stewie so you sleep well at night, but I would recommend do what you can to survive!

Fair comment and I understand that some Indies are struggling to keep their head above water.

Morally though you know its wrong to sell an 18 rated game to some one under age, do you want your 12 or 13 year old playing games like GTA or god forbid somehting like Condemned??

But hey if your all about profit why not sell them some 18 rated porn along with their game!

I'm pretty sure there is a law against that... And rightly so. But I spose they've gotta learn about the birds and the bees some how, so why not?

Hey Stewart, get down off that high horse of yours.

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